Too young to really get into pick-up/tips for starting out?
Hi JDog,
As a regular Internet user, I often find myself following links to totally random sites and finding areas that interest me through this non-structured exploration of the web.
Through my various jaunts through hyperspace, I suddenly found myself on fastseduction.com, and the world of pick-up suddenly opened up before me like a blossoming flower. The entire area intrigues me to no end, and it sounds like a perfect skill to work on, perhaps even to a professional/Master level. Like a lot of the well-known PUAs used to be, I'm pretty geeky, a late developer, not very successful with girls, but not at all ugly. Indeed I'm probably a bit above middle range in terms of raw looks, and have been called good-looking on occasion. Add to this my (somewhat shallow) desire to posess the skills to pick up scores of women, the whole discipline seems right up my alley.
Although it's not really a "problem", my main issue is that recently turned 16. While I could potentially (and illegally) cheat my way into clubs and bars, I most definitely would not be drawing attention to myself by attempting to pick up 18-year-old chicks and risk jail.
Due to the fact that I have little opportunity to practice skills and the fact that I am currently pinned down, geographically, to Australia, I think that my next course of action will be to simply read up on all the various pick-up techniques, and learn all the theoretical stuff, before going and trying it all out on my 18th birthday (legal age down here).
The problem with this, though, is that I don't learn well when I'm simply reading text and trying to remember it all. I learn much better in a practical environment, with an instructor to support and guide me, and provide me with personal feedback. Also beneficial would be a bootcamp, perhaps like those offered by Love Systems, and this would help me absorb the information as well. Unfortunately, most seminars held in Australia don't come to my city, and I doubt a minor would be allowed to attend in any case.
Until such time as I am financially able to relocate to the US or elsewhere, is there much else you could recommend I do? Where should I start (apart from http://fastseduction.com/youarenew/ :))? Perhaps you could also mention your usual one-on-one tuition fees (very rough quote), as I'd definitely be interested in getting some personal coaching from yourself or another PUA. Also, if you're looking for a protege, I'm your man :).
Great work on The Pickup Artist. I'm slowly working through the episodes and I'm picking up (excuse the pun) info as I go along. The highlight has still been you guys working your magic in episode 1, season 1.
Sorry for the long post, I tend to get quite long-winded, at least when I'm typing. Maybe this is something I should work on until I can start getting into pick-up properly, as an adult.
Thanks a lot.
Cheers,
Franklint
Age means nothing, at your age you can pick up women of any age. And it will work. Me and my buddies have a contest going on who can fuck the oldest woman, the number to beat is 50. we are all 25 btw. If you can't get into bars try daytime pick ups at mall, grocery stores, coffehouses, there's tons of people of all ages having sex and they don't wait till a specific age to start. Perfect age to beat approach anxiety at the root, Honestly all my hang ups come from that age. Read up on what you can, pick up books and do your homework.
Age means nothing, at your age you can pick up women of any age. And it will work. Me and my buddies have a contest going on who can fuck the oldest woman, the number to beat is 50.
-eddiejoe
Why would you want to do that...
That's dumb, you lower your quality, why in the world would you do that?! please its like your going backwards, have a contest on who can pickup the hottest chick, not some 50 year old women...... lol, so stupid!
That's dumb, you lower your quality, why in the world would you do that?! please its like your going backwards, have a contest on who can pickup the hottest chick, not some 50 year old women...... lol, so stupid!
-randy32935
The hottest oldest woman, i should've made that clear. It's like we are going to assault a retirement home. The oldest woman I've been with was 43, and she was smoking hot. A personal trainer at a gym I was going.
Age means nothing, at your age you can pick up women of any age. And it will work. Me and my buddies have a contest going on who can fuck the oldest woman, the number to beat is 50. we are all 25 btw. If you can't get into bars try daytime pick ups at mall, grocery stores, coffehouses, there's tons of people of all ages having sex and they don't wait till a specific age to start. Perfect age to beat approach anxiety at the root, Honestly all my hang ups come from that age. Read up on what you can, pick up books and do your homework.
-eddiejoe
Awesome, I'm glad to hear that age has little effect in pick-up ability. I must say, I don't envy your participation in the competition, but good luck anyway :).Also, great advice - pre-adulthood is a perfect time to work on my day game, as this is one of the hardest types of pick-up and it would be good to get a headstart.
My relative inexperience with the fairer sex means that approach anxiety is definitely a reality, and you're probably right that I should try to nip it in the bud.
I've just started reading The Game (I'm loving it) and researching the different areas of pick-up to start working on. Unfortunately, the city I'm in isn't one of the classiest of places, and it's quite famous for its bogan population. This means that I will have to choose my targets carefully, as one wrong move with the wrong target could leave me with a black eye for a week.
In terms of the structure of a pick-up, could someone verify and/or point out where I've gone wrong in this layout?:
Approach (3s rule)
Open (disable obstacles, be interesting)
Build Attraction (multi-threading, negging, flirting)
Build Comfort (slowly escalating kino)
Close (number or kiss)
I know the actual structure of a pick-up is probably on various Internet sites, but I'm just trying to get it straight in my head, so I've written how I see it. Anyone care to comment?
Thanks for the responses guys.
Cheers,
Franklint
You got the approach right, that's retty much it. Even if there's no set pattern there are certain rules. You have a very good idea of how to do it. As far as the rest of it goes I find it easier to remember like this:
A1 Approach
A2 DHV
A3 Qualify The Target
C1 Comfort Bulding right there
C2 Comfort Building Somewhere else
C3 Comfort Building at the place you're going to have sex
S1 Foreplay
S2 Last Minute resistance
S3 Sex
Thanks for the response, eddiejoe. Also thanks a lot for the advice, encouragement and the pick-up structure you've posted. I like how you go into the final section concerning actual sex.
I notice that you haven't put down "Attraction Building". I'm assuming that's because most of the attraction is built through DHVs and qualifying the target.
One other question: Let's say I went out and spent a fair bit of money on developing an avatar, using advice and input from friends, and probably online communities such as this. When I became a legal adult (18 or 21 depending on your country), would it be likely that my manner would change so much that my current avatar would not be as effective, and wouldn't work, meaning that I would have to go and change it? Or, do you think that a properly devised avatar would be strong enough to move with me through the final years of adolescence and into adulthood?
Cheers,
Franklint
Your Avatar is not a separate identity, it's not your Batman to your Bruce Wayne. An avatar in my mind is just an embetterment of your qualities. Sort of an amplification. You don´t have to wear feather boas, leather pants and cowboy hats. Just take good care of your hygiene and your body. Mystery made a point of this on the second season of The PUA. He did his first episode pick up demonstration propless. You just have to look decent and incorporate alpha male charcteristics into your personality. Don't try to convey someone that you are not. Just convey a better version of yourself.
Now that I think about it, you're probably right, eddiejoe. I'd always thought that an avatar was some flamboyant, attention-grabbing outfit that you wear to attract women. But it's really much more about looking fashionable, clean, tidy and cool. When you get better and better at pickup, presumably you can start incorporating more interesting elements, as long as you know how to use them, such as hats and boas. Wearing a few rings and arm bands from the get-go is probably a good starting block accessory-wise. My favourite quote on this subject would have to be from the TV show: "You wear accessories because they're sexual. There's no other reason to wear them".
Typically I just wear shorts and t-shirts (and not necessarily cool t-shirts at that). My first step is probably going to be buying and/or wearing tighter-fitting trousers, such as jeans, and wearing more actual shirts (rather than t-shirts) with suit jackets worn casually. I have no facial hair, but my head-hair is curly and not a lot can be done with it. I usually put gel in it every day to keep it under control and not frizzy, and it was also straightened recently by my mate's sister and her friend. It looked quite cool straight actually. I'm not sure I'm ready to get rid of my awesome curls just yet, at least not permanently, as my mother would continue probing until she found out the reason.
Any other things I should consider?
Thanks for your help so far.
Cheers,
Franklint
I think you got it. Women notice things that men will never notice. The important part about clothing is that it fits well. Good fitting clothes will make you look good, also look at yourself in various positions not just standing up. Chack that the sleeves don't ride up, it doesn't bunch up in the back, or that you see the dreaded muffin top on you belly when you sit. I've lost so much weight I have to buy everything again, I'm down 50 pounds now and I expect to drop about 20 more. So I just buy clothes for the interim.
