Using Magic

You say as a hobby, have you ever performed in front of people? I would think if you have performed in front of people then you should have a easier time of appraoching sets, not as much AA as other people would suffer, but this is a guess as not sure how confident you are on the approach.
 
Some openers, consist of "Do you believe in magic?", peak there interest, maybe have a trick ready but don't stick to just magic. Once opened you have there interest try something else. I would try different appraoches and see what does or doesn't work.
 
 

Thanks infamy, I do perform in front of people, and I don't have much AA now with performing magic.  However, for me at least, my AA for PUA is still pretty bad, I think its due to the reason I'm approaching being different, but I am working on it. Thanks again for the advice, I will try it out the next time I go out.

When Mystery first started teaching he told students that they each needed prop bags, filled with rune stones, false thumb tips, and other gimmicks. MANY guys have tried using magic in-field but never with the same success as Mystery. You see he would enter the room like a celebrity, like either a rockstar, or some performed that they should know about.

Wearing platform boots and standing almost 7ft tall he would open sets, moving straws around random girls glasses by placing his hands near them in the air. Basically he would work the room like doing a stage show. It worked. Other times he would use magic in comfort and that worked.

The difference that made him effective was that all the stories, all the patter around the tricks supported his identity, and supported this larger than life persona.

If you can't support using magic in a strong way, then it is far to easy to seem dorky, try hard, and like a dancing monkey. Basically Mystery would act like he was just as big as Criss Angel.. he was the Criss Angle they just didn't know about, but from everyone's reactions to him, and the way he carries himself.. wow.. he must be authentic.

You see everyone knows that magic is trickery. It's the strong persona that convinces people to put their critical mind on hold that makes it work.. it's the patter, the language that adds all the powerful emotions.

So in answer to your question, yes you can use magic, sleight of hand, mentalism, and card magic, etc. to great advantage if you are good at it, and can move their emotions with your language, rather than just doing an emotionally cold trick. If it is part of your identity and persona.. and you convey that in a strong way then it can work better for you.

If can work later through in comfort, after she decides that she likes you. It can be another interesting part of your life that she gets to discover.

A friend of mine is amazing at card tricks with sleight of hand. He has a great skill. He is not a performer, it's just something that he is interested in and has spent untold hours practising. He has carried a pack of cards with him and busted them out in bars, only to find that it didn't help in any ways. Often it hurt his chances.

Where I think he would really benefit is by learning some powerful languaging to go with it. He should put together some routines, that grab and twist the spectators emotions. Then on a day 2 or if bridging to a house party at his place.. If he had a drinks bar in the room he could casually bring up a story that introduces the girl to his ability, and how it became part of his life, and then show her. Alternatively, he could always have a deck of cards sitting on a mat on the bar, and perhaps some other paraphernalia strategically sitting around his place.. so that when SHE asks about it.. then he can go into the more charged routine.

Now.. if you are half as good as Derren Brown then sure, run that shit in a social setting, and see how you can use it to run game on women you are interested in. Weave in teasing, social control, touching, and build sexual tension.

Really on opening with magic to get over "PUA AA" as you said might end up being a crutch. Yes, you want to be able to open consistently, but you also want to be conveying the right traits about yourself, and there should be sexual tension with you and the desired girl.

Thanks jdog for the in depth reply, really appreciate it.  What you said makes a lot of sense, I never thought about the emotions factor, but now that you mentioned it I can see exactly what you mean.  I can see how making a  magic routine to be more supernatural and emotionally charged, would be good for your game, rather than just a straight trick.  

I do love magic, so I will start working on new routines that can pull at the emotion strings more, but I'll also try not to make this too much of a crutch.  Derren Brown is a amazing mentalist, surprised he didn't try to break into the U.S. market yet. Sorry, getting a little off topic, anyways thanks again for the advice.

ht, when you have a skill and you introduce it, it may come off as bragging, try-hard or showy. if you have a friend (wing) introduce your skill through an accomplishment introduction, then it edifies you and your skill. instead of going right into a magic routine, you might want to ground your skill through a story. your set will then be intrigued and want to see something. only do a couple tricks...if you do more then you'd just be a performing monkey, as jdog stated. also, try engaging a group of guys next to a set of girls and show them a couple tricks. you win the guys over, the girls will follow.
i myself have studied and practiced illusions as a hobby and have gotten good enough to perform them in front of others. the other night i was out with a buddy and he mentioned to a couple people that i was an illusionist. within 5 mins i had a group around me as i showed them a few illusions.
my favorite story for grounding my illusionists skills is telling my set how my niece and nephews love watching me do the tricks, and how i love performing for them because they are innocent and genuinely entertained and enjoy it for what it is, instead of being skeptical and trying to figure out how i do it.
just have the frame of mind that you are doing the tricks cuz you enjoy doing them and not because you're trying to impress girls.

Thanks ticoricosuave, I definitely know what you mean about a wing introducing your skills.  Now that I look back it does make a big difference when someone request you to do a trick rather than you bringing it up.  Also I really like your story for grounding, sounds very natural, thanks again for the advice.

Thanks infamy, I do perform in front of people, and I don't have much AA now with performing magic.  However, for me at least, my AA for PUA is still pretty bad, I think its due to the reason I'm approaching being different, but I am working on it. Thanks again for the advice, I will try it out the next time I go out.

-ht15000

What do you mean by this?  Using these things here for building long-term relationships?  How is the AA different?

Busting out a magic trick out of nowhere is silly, it has to have a set up. Some way to guide it there. You can't just go up to a girl and do a magic trick. It alienates people. Makes you the performer and her the audience. You would have to get her comfortable before doing any magic and it has to make sense.

Um not really just have a interesting story behind the magic trick and use it as an opener, look at what "Lance Burton" does........ Its really easy!

Magic is stupid. You're out at a club. Why would you have a deck of cards in your pants? Why open with it? Why open with magic? How is that amusing at all. There's a lot of people that don't like magic. Come on this kind of technique is even lampooned on the TV show "How I Met Your Mother" it's cheesy.

I have to agree with eddiejoe on this. It has been done and I've seen it too many times. I know plenty of girls that don't like magic. Unless you're awesome, this comes off as tacky and it gets old.