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rookie - member
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Yo yo,

Riley Dayne Here…

Although you were unable to answer my previous question regarding “Age Differential” (ironically, due to my age), I’ve come back with a question that I’m hoping you will be able to answer.

This question doesn’t require your advice, so it shouldn’t conflict with any laws; rather it’s just a point of personal curiosity.

How many PUA’s are at large today? It seems like just about everyone and their dog (no pun intended Jdog) are going out “sarging” nowadays, regurgitating routines from the “The Game” and spewing out over-used routines like they’re going out of fashion.

I’ve always been curious as to how many PUA’s are out there (if you can even call half of them that, but that’s another discussion altogether).

Got any idea? Rough estimate? Arbitrary Guess?

Thanks in advance,

Riley Dayne

P.S. This question isn’t exactly urgent, so just give it a reply when you have time.

P.P.S. There was a slight mention of a under 18 forum…I think that would be badass, I would love to be able to participate more fully on this forum. (but hell…I’ll only need it for about a month before I finally turn 18, so no worries if you don’t get around to it.)

P.P.P.S. Is it okay that I’m posting in this forum at all, or similarly replying to blog posts such as I had done with “Essential Seduction Book List.”…is that cool, or a no go?

P.P.P.P.S. That’s a lot of bloody P.S.’s LOL

regular - founder
93 posts
I like the idea of the younger man's forum.. remind with a PM sometime, as I'm working on many things at the moment.

Regarding the number of PUA's out there.. Yes, it seems to have spread like wild fire through popular culture. There are some problems because of it, but also some benefits.

The main problem is that the barrier to entry is now difficult. It's back to where it was before all of this started. That means if you are nerdy, or an otherwise shy guy around women then you will find that peacocking, negging, and running routines might not work for you. In the past there was room for a lot of error, and guys who lacked confidence learning indirect game could push through their interactions. They may not have been completely congruent, but they were still different and intriguing. So they were able to get interest from women this way.

Now, every average douchebag is using indirect game to some extent. So women are used to it. Those guys only need to use small parts of the game as they already have confidence or better than average looks, or both. The Game, and The Pickup Artist were both extremely popular amongst bar/cub going women! So unless you are truly confident (and therefore don't need to rely on canned game) then you run a high risk of being busted or recognised as a wannabe PUA.

Now before you think this is all doom and gloom there is a silver lining...

Evolution and Social Psychology dictates that certain traits will attract women. Certain behavioural processes will attract women, and create chemistry. There have always been players, and you can still become a ladies man. You may have to place the learning focus less on routines (a good thing) and more towards yourself (an even better thing.)

I receive emails everyday where guys ask for coaching because they either can't make routines based game work for them, or they are just not meeting the right types of women, and often because they can't keep the girls around!

When you shift focus to developing yourself, then girls want to stay around because all along they have become attracted to YOU, what you are as a person, rather than being attracted to a false persona donned one day in a club. Women leave PUA's because the facade fades really rather quickly. That often leads to one of 2 outcomes.. the PUA goes deeper and deeper into manipulation with comfort routines.. and relationship management routines.. or they wuss out, get oneitis, and lose the girls interest for good (due to the fact that they are not really confident.. they are still riddled with insecurity, and still have a scarcity mindset when they think about the women in their life.)

That is another reason why I'm generally not keen on teaching younger guys. They far too easily fall into the trap of becoming manipulative. I've seen guys change to the point where that becomes their philosophy on life, and everything then is about ego. There used to be a philosophy of leaving her better off than you found her. While that may be an ideal, it is often not the case. Quote, "It's a privilege to be picked up by a pick up artist!" What utter arrogant tosh.
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rookie - member
9 posts

Wow...

That was quite the reply; I was expecting something like....

" uhhh... I think there’s probably several thousands PUA's... -JDog"

But you definitely Over-delivered, So thank you for the lengthy response, much respect for going through all of our posts and giving them well thought out answers...I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we really appreciate it.

And I definitely agree with you about focusing on developing yourself and who you are, rather than creating a social façade to mask your insecurities.

Great advice man,

Riley Dayne

rookie - member
2 posts

Nice post jdog! I am look forward to seeing the shift from canned routines to personality development.

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